UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 97 Show Notes

Good morning! Happy Tuesday!

Thinking Brad is back again this week. I dig that because I dig Brad!

Last week, Brad was out feeling sick. This led to a solo recording of the UNSECURITY Podcast; go check out episode 96 if you want to hear me do my most awkward podcast yet.

Busy, Busy, Busy

We’ve been very busy around here, and it sounds like many of you are too. There are many good signs recently that the economy may be rebounding. The positives:

  • Elections – although the next 50ish days are going to be chaotic, there will be some settling in after the elections are complete. Regardless of which way you swing (blue or red), the completion of an election cycle brings a sense of stability.
  • COVID-19 – there’s been a lot of positive news about medical treatments and possible vaccines. The sooner we can put the pandemic behind us, the better. Once the pandemic is behind us (closer with each passing day), the economy should settle.
  • Markets – the stock and housing markets have held there own through all the chaos of 2020. This is a good sign of good things ahead in our opinion.

Busy is good, and it would take a small book to tell you all the good things going on at SecurityStudio and FRSecure! SecurityStudio is well on it’s way to being a very healthy and profitable SaaS company and FRSecure is exploring expansion (acquisition, merger, and/or geographic expansion).

I sincerely hope you and your family are well!

Why Can’t We All Just Get Along?

Today’s topic is about our divisiveness in world today and what it means to our industry. We’ll be careful to be respectful of other people’s opinions as we navigate these waters, and this may be a good segue into a future series we’ve been thinking about recently; “Politics and Information Security”.

Let’s get on it. The show notes…


SHOW NOTES – Episode 97

Date: Tuesday, September 8st, 2020

Episode 97 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up
  • Why Can’t We All Just Along?
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Good morning everyone. Thanks for tuning in. The date is September 15th, 2020 and this is episode 97 of the UNSECURITY Podcast! I’m your host, Evan Francen, and back with me this week is my good friend, Brad Nigh! Good morning Brad.

[Brad] Good things from this dude.

[Evan] Well, you were out ill last week. How you feeling? What’s new?

Catching Up

[Evan] Regular listeners to our show know that Brad and I normally start off with catching up with each other. Let’s do it.

Topics:

[Evan] Did you get a chance to hear last week’s episode? It was definitely awkward doing the show alone for the first time!

Transition

Why Can’t We All Just Get Along?

[Evan] It’s crazy how much information security reflects life and vice versa. I’ve been thinking about what our next series should be, and I’m always interested in tackling serious topics. We’re in the middle of an election cycle right now and I can’t remember a time when our country has been more divided than it is today. Me being me, I want to talk about it with you (Brad).

What are your first thoughts about the divisiveness in our country today?

[Brad] Chimin’ in.

[Evan] Here’s what I’d like to explore with you:

  • General divisiveness (political, social, information security, etc.)
    • Intimidation/bullying for sharing your thoughts, opinions, disagreements, etc.
    • When you find someone being a jerk or speaking/writing nonsense.
  • Outside Influences to Information Security
    • Today’s political climate.
    • Where do we find facts vs. opinions?
  • Within Information Security
    • How do we think our divisiveness affects information security?
    • Putting down others (competition, other professionals, etc.).
    • The divide between us and the business.
  • A couple of podcast reviews.

 

[Evan] I’m thinking about doing a series titled “Politics and Information Security”. We could interview special guests form both sides of the isle and get their opinions on all sorts of things. What would set us apart is respectfulness. We would do this in a way that respects opinions without attacking and bullying. This could be a great opportunity to set an example for others on how to discuss hot topics without beating each other up. What do you think?

[Brad] We’ll see what he thinks…

[Evan] The timing seems right to do a series like this. Alright. More to come on that! Let’s do newsy stuff now.

News

[Evan] Here’s some news I thought was interesting:

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] OK. That’s about it. Episode 97 is almost a wrap. Brad, any shout outs this week?

[Brad] Shout out…

[Evan] It’s nice to have you back man. We’re very grateful for our listeners and we love hearing from you. Send us messages by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com or check us out on Twitter, @UnsecurityP.

If you wanna socialize with me or Brad directly, we dare you! I’m @evanfrancen, and Brad’s @BradNigh. We work for people and if you want to follow those people, SecurityStudio is @studiosecurity and FRSecure is @FRSecure.

That’s it, talk you all again next week!

UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 96 Show Notes

Hope you had a fantastic Labor Day weekend! Personally, it was nice to get away with family and disconnect for a while!

Did you know the history of Labor Day?

It’s always the first Monday in September, ad it’s dedicated to the social and economic achievements of American workers. The first state to recognize the holiday was Oregon in 1887, and it became a federal holiday in 1894. So, this year we celebrate more than 125 years of American work!

Read more about the history of Labor Day on the U.S. Department of Labor website.

Brad’s out today.

Like most weeks, I’m writing the show notes last minute. On the way into work this morning (2:30am), Brad sent me a text message informing me that he is not feeling well. We think it might be a bout of food poisoning, so he should be OK with some rest. Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers.

No Brad today, so this means I’m left to my own devices. This will be the first episode I’ve done by myself. We’ll see how this shakes out.

Let’s get on with it! These are my (Evan) notes.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 96

Date: Tuesday, September 8st, 2020

Episode 96 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up
  • Context Means Everything A Lot
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Good morning everyone. Thanks for tuning in. The date is September 8th, 2020 and this is episode 96 of the UNSECURITY Podcast! I’m your host, Evan Francen, and my buddy is out sick today. Normally Brad Nigh joins me as co-host, but he informed me early this morning that he might have a case of some food poisoning.

Wishing Brad a fast and full recovery!

Be warned. Without Brad, I might end up rambling a bit!

Catching Up

[Evan] Regular listeners to our show know that Brad and I normally start off with catching up with each other. No Brad today, so I’ll bore you with some of the stuff I’ve been up to:

  • Great weekend camping with my wife, my daughter, my good friend Ryan Cloutier, and his wife Aimee
  • Bunch of meetings last week, including 11 last Tuesday; Chubb, the Cybercrime Support Network, Schneider Downs (makers of Red Lure), etc.
  • Lots of great work going on at both companies; FRSecure and SecurityStudio.
    • New service offerings at both companies.
    • S2Org – working on a global S2Score, integrating S2Team, S2Vendor, and new deeper-dive risk assessments.
    • S2Vendor – working on customized workflows, custom due dates, integration of something called the “Cowbell Factor”, vendor breach data/news, etc.
    • S2Me – Redesign based on user feedback, definition of four new “normal” language dialects, and the introduction of “Sam”.
  • The Security Shit Show last Thursday night; topic was “Negativity is Bullsh*t”.
  • Some other miscellaneous things…

Crazy week, but it appears as though business is really picking up and market sentiment is positive(r).

[Evan] Alright, again, no Brad to catch up with. Hoping he had a great week and weekend, minus the food poisoning thing. Now on to the topic for today’s show.

Transition

Context Means Everything A Lot

[Evan] If you know me, you know I use many sayings/themes to try to get my point across. One saying I’ve muttered many times:

One of the easiest tells for determining a good information security advice from bad is using context.

Context is critical. Think about it. You make decisions all day, from the seemingly insignificant ones to the critical ones, and everything in between. How does the lack of context effect your decision-making? Without context, the quality of your decisions will suffer.

Without context people make crappy decisions

Recent conversation with “James”:

  • [James] We get the importance of a risk assessment, but we’re just not focusing on that right now. We’re focusing on partnering with firms with forensics capabilities and setting up a security operations center (or “SOC”).
  • [Mike] Are these our most significant risks to focus on right now?
  • [James] We think so. We don’t have any forensics capabilities and we don’t feel like we’re able to identify events happening in our environment.
  • [Mike] What’s the environment look like? How many servers, how many systems, how many applications, etc.?
  • [James] We’ve probably got 100(ish) servers and a couple hundred applications I’d guess.
  • [Mike] You guess?

A recent article “Most cyber-security reports only focus on the cool threats

A recent conversation with “Bill”. Bill is the CEO:

  • [Bill] Hey Mike. We need to stop everything we’re working on and take care of this exploit I heard about from a friend.
  • [Mike] I’ve never heard of this exploit. Why do we need to stop everything and focus on it?
  • [Bill] My buddy over at XYZ company was just telling me about how his company got hit.
  • [Mike] OK, we’ll get right on it.

Regulators and auditors are notorious for missing context and often take us down the road of compliance management versus risk management.

Penetration testers, especially those who are newer to our industry are notorious for getting things out of context. Context is critical.

Same concept applies to the world Around Us

The information security industry is unique, but it’s not unique in the fact that human beings are the ones making decisions. Context works the same way.

Take COVID-19 for instance:

  • The headline reads “South Dakota dismisses ‘elite class of so-called experts,’ carries on with state fair after Sturgis rally fueled COVID-19 surge” – The words “Sturgis rally fueled COVID-19 surge” is troubling. If we made a decision based on these words it might be different than a decision with some context. The article goes on to say (buried in 6th paragraph) “Nationally, about 300 cases have been linked to the rally.” For context, there were an estimated 460,000 attendees. 300 cases out of 460,000 attendees works out to about .065%. Granted, there will likely be more, but the rally was a month ago now.
  • Another headline reads “New challenges in US battle against Covid-19 come with the approaching fall season” – This article goes on to say “The holiday crowds mark the unofficial end to a devastating summer across the country, with Covid-19 infections surging to more than 6.3 million and deaths topping 189,000.” The word “devastating” is not only subjective, but it lacks context. A single infection and a single death is bad, but in context it seems a little less devastating. 6.3 million people is about 1.91% of the U.S. population. More than 640,000 people die each year from heart disease and almost 600,000 die from cancer.

IMPORTANT: COVID-19 is a pandemic and it is VERY serious. I don’t mean to minimize the coronavirus in any way, but I do want to put it into context. Be courteous to others. Wear a mask and follow the CDC’s guidance. Speaking of the CDC, this is a great source for context!

Racism and police violence is another hot button issue. Judging from some of the news and reactions from some of the public, you’d certainly think this was worth burning down the “establishment”. I’m someone who wants to fix broken things, so if I’m interested in fixing broken things, I need to make good decisions in context. Here’s some context.

Spend some time reviewing the statistics and graph above. Don’t jump to any conclusions yet! There is a significant issue here, but I’d prefer to use logic versus emotion to drive my reaction.

Now, here’s a couple more things to think about:

Interesting information for sure, and I’m NOT going to draw any conclusions for you. Racism is a thing and it’s a very bad thing. Decisions about what we’re going to do about the problem will be more effective with context.

IMPORTANT: Racism is real and I’m praying for constructive solutions to end it versus destructive solutions that will probably make it worse.

Context is VERY important for decision-making and problem-solving.

Here’s another saying I use often:

Empty spaces get filled.

Without context, what do we rely on to make our decisions? Usually it’s assumptions, bias, and/or emotions. Where we lack information to make a good decisions, some of us have a tendency to make up our own information to fill the gap. You know what they say about assumptions, right? Bias is prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair, and this doesn’t sound like a good base for decision-making. Emotions are variable and always play a role in decision-making, but it can become a problem when it’s the dominant role. Emotions like fear, anger, and frustration can easily be played against you and drive you to make a decision you’ll come to regret.

So, what to do?

First, understand that information security is about risk management. Risk is the likelihood of something bad happening and the impact if it did. This requires context!

Slow down. Think about the data your consuming and ask yourself if there’s more to the story. Is the new exploit your boss read about the most critical thing you should be attending to? If someone asks you what your most significant risk is, would you have an answer? Could you defend your answer if challenged?

About the world stuff, in short:

  • Will COVID-19 be the end of the world? – No, it’s highly unlikely. COVID-19 is a pandemic and all pandemics come to an end.
  • Is COVID-19 serious? – Absolutely! People get sick and people die. It’s 100% serious and we should all do what we can to help ourselves and each other be safe.
  • If you’re a black man in America, are you going to die at the hands of police? – Even by the most credible research I could find, there’s a 99.9% chance that this will NOT happen. Even .1% is way too high! We need to do everything we can to drive this number much lower. In context, the problem goes beyond the police though.

Well, I hope this helped. Remember to put things into context as much as you are able.

[Evan] Let’s move on to some news topics.

News

[Evan] Here’s some news I thought was interesting:

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] OK. That’s about it. Episode 96 is coming to an end. Lonely without Brad, but hopefully useful to our listeners.

[Evan] Shout out…

[Evan] We’re very grateful for our listeners and we love hearing from you. Send us messages by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com or check us out on Twitter, @UnsecurityP.

If you wanna socialize with me or Brad directly, we dare you! I’m @evanfrancen, and Brad’s @BradNigh. We work for people and if you want to follow those people, SecurityStudio is @studiosecurity and FRSecure is @FRSecure.

That’s it, talk you all again next week!

UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 95 Show Notes

I don’t have any words to describe 2020. COVID-19, social justice events (George Floyd, Black Lives Matter, protests, riots, etc., etc.), economic issues, the election cycle, and on and on. This is going to be a helluva year to recap come December, and it’s a helluva year to remember (or forget).

One thing that struck me this morning is the fact that it’s already the last day of August. With everything going on this year, I might be grateful it’s flying by.

Despite all the craziness, there’s been good things too. The family time has been great, we’ve gotten a ton of work done around the house, Chris Roberts, Ryan Cloutier and I started the Security Shit Show, business is relatively good, and the optimist in me says the future looks bright.

Well, let’s get on with the show, shall we? I’m (Evan) leading the show this week, and these are my notes.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 95

Date: Tuesday, September 1st, 2020

Episode 95 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up
  • What has this crazy year done for information security?
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Good morning listeners! My name is Evan Francen, the date is August 31st, and this is episode 95 of the UNSECURITY Podcast. I’m your host today, and joining me is my good friend Brad Nigh. Good morning Brad!

[Brad] Brad’s a nice guy. He’ll say “hi” or something.

[Evan] For our listeners who were expecting our show to come out yesterday, we’ve switched things up. We are recording the shows on Tuesday mornings now due to crazy schedules with getting kids ready/off to school and other things. For the time being, we’ll be recording on Tuesday mornings and releasing the podcast around noon.

Catching Up

[Evan] Same thing each week man. We start by catching up. New listeners might not know that we originally started the UNSECURITY Podcast so that you and I could find an hour each week to catch up with each other. So, let’s catch up! What’s new with you?

Quick discussion about last week, the weekend, or whatever else comes to mind.

  • How’s family?
  • New stuff at home or at work?
  • How’s work?
  • Anything got you excited or ticked off?

[Brad] Things and such probably…

[Evan] Things and such probably too…

[Evan] Good to catch up with you man. Let’s hope this is a great week!

Transition

What has this crazy year done for information security?

[Evan] Obviously, there’s lots going on in the world this year. It was about six months ago (March) when our reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic flipped the world on it’s head, at least that’s what it was like around here. For many, COVID-19 is old news, and people are tired of talking about it. I don’t want to talk about COVID-19 as much as I want to discuss how our reaction to it has affected information security.

COVID-19 Information Security Effects

[Evan] I remember the day like it was yesterday, March 16th. This was the day we closed our physical office at FRSecure and SecurityStudio. Let’s talk about how information security has changed since then and what we think the future of information security will look like.

COVID-19 & Information Security Discussion

[Evan] May 25th and 26th are also days I remember well. May 25th was Memorial Day and it started off like any other Memorial Day. I was camping with my family, and being a military family, we were honoring those who gave their lives while serving our country. It wasn’t until May 26th that I heard the news about George Floyd. Things haven’t been the same since. I’m not going to use our time to discuss social justice issues, but I want to discuss how the events of May 25th have affected our profession (information security).

Social Justice Issues & Information Security Discussion

NOTE: We know that social justice and racism are very sensitive topics. We will discuss these issues only in how we think they relate to information security. This DOES NOT mean anything more, and please DO NOT read anything more into it.

[Evan] This is a year like no other, that’s for sure. I’m hoping and praying that love will prevail. Great discussion Brad! Let’s move on to some news topics.

News

[Evan] Yay! Newsy things. Here’s some news I thought was interesting:

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] Sheesh. Thinking maybe we should have done an episode on insider threats! Maybe next week, eh Brad?

[Brad] Cue the Brad.

[Evan] Well, that’s about it folks. Episode 95 is almost in the can. Brad, you have a shout out to give?

[Brad] We’ll see if he does.

[Evan] We’re very grateful for our listeners and we love hearing from you. Send us messages by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com or check us out on Twitter, @UnsecurityP.

If you wanna socialize with me or Brad directly, we dare you! I’m @evanfrancen, and Brad’s @BradNigh. We work for people and if you want to follow those people, SecurityStudio is @studiosecurity and FRSecure is @FRSecure.

That’s it, talk you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 89 Show Notes – Women in Security Pt6

Ready for another installment of the UNSECURITY Women in Security Podcast Series?

NOTE: I forgot to post these notes ahead of the podcast recording. Episode 89 with Judy Hatchett was awesome! It’s been recorded and published here. THANK YOU JUDY! Now the show notes…

We have another GREAT special guest joining us! One of my favorites, Judy Hatchett, Vice President and Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) at Surescripts will share her story and opinions in this episode (#89).

First, a quick recap of the Women in Security series thus far…

Women in Security Series

Brad and I started this series because we wanted to learn more about challenges women face in the information security industry. It would be shallow and dry if Brad and I chose to discuss this subject ourselves. Instead, we chose to interview women that we know and ones who were referred to us.

What better way to get a woman’s perspective on things than to ask them directly?!

So far, we’ve had five women join us as guests on the show. Each woman brought her own set of experiences, perspectives, and opinions. No two guests have been alike, and we’ve learned a TON!

Here’s our guest line up thus far:

  • Episode 84 – Renay Ruter (an information security business/IT executive)
  • Episode 85 – Lori Blair (a 35-year information security veteran)
  • Episode 86 – Victoria Fogarty (relatively new to the industry)
  • Episode 87 – Kristin Judge (founder and CEO of the Cybercrime Support Network, SC Media “Women in IT Security Influencer” in 2017, former Director of Government Affairs at the National Cyber Security Alliance (NCSA), thought leader, and all-around amazing information security expert)
  • Episode 88 – Andrea Hatcher (Senior majoring in Cybersecurity Analytics and Operations at Pennsylvania State University)
  • Episode 89 – Judy Hatchett (this show) (Information security corporate leader and expert formerly with Accenture, Best Buy, SUPERVALU, 3M, Fairview Health Services, and current VP, Information Security and CISO at Surescripts)
  • Episode 90 – Amy McLaughlin (Information security leader and expert in education, having served with the State of Oregon, the Consortium for School Network (CoSN), Chemeketa Community College, and Oregon State University)
  • Episode 91 – Theresa Semmens (Chief Information Security Officer at the Nevada System of Higher Education, former AVP/Chief Information Security Officer at the University of Miami, and former Chief Information Security Officer at North Dakota State University)
    /not-yet-confirmed (information security executive in healthcare, CISO in higher education, or senior information security sales executive)
  • Episode 92 – Lee Ann Villella (Senior Enterprise Security Sales Consultant at FRSecure, Program Director for the Minnesota Chapter of the Information Systems Security Association, and member of the Cyber Security Summit Advisory Board Committee)
  • Episode 93 – TBD/not-yet-confirmed (information security executive in healthcare, CISO in higher education, or senior information security sales executive)

This is an amazing lineup of information security professionals! These women represent our information security industry extremely well, and we’re honored to speak with each of them on our show!

Here’s what we’ve done so far…

Women in Security Series – Part One

We kicked off the Women in Security series on June 15th, and we couldn’t have chosen a better first guest! Renay Rutter, FRSecure’s COO, got the series started by sharing the experience, wisdom, and insight she’s gained over her 30+ year IT career. Renay expressed how important it has been for her to be strong throughout her career, and in her opinion, women need to be strong to survive in the information security industry. This was a great show!

If you missed this episode, you can catch up here; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-84-women-in-security-pt-1-renay-rutter/id1442520920?i=1000478037575

Thank you Renay!

Women in Security Series – Part Two

We kept things in the FRSecure family for week two, hosting Lori Blair. Lori is full of information security knowledge and wisdom! She started her career in the industry in 1985, working for the federal government. Over the next 35 years, she’s traveled the world helping organizations with their information security needs and held various leadership positions. She’s excelled everywhere she’s gone and even found time to raise children along the way! Today, Lori is a Senior Information Security Consultant at FRSecure, tackling difficult challenges and mentoring other women.

I have a TON of respect for Lori, and her opinions carry weight for me (and many others). It’s not just her experience that makes Lori amazing, she’s a wonderful, practical, and level-headed person who loves mentoring others. This is a can’t miss episode, go give a listen here; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-85-women-in-security-pt-2-lori-blair/id1442520920?i=1000479175255

Thank you Lori!

Women in Security Series – Part Three

We welcomed up and comer Victoria Fogarty to the show for Part Three. Victoria is an Associate Information Security Analyst at FRSecure, where she started her career in 2019. She possesses natural gifts for this industry, and her perspectives were fresh. She’s intelligent, relatable, and an excellent communicator. She did a great job explaining how she researched a career in information security while she was an Insurance Adjuster, a job she disliked. Her journey is pretty cool so far, and her future is VERY bright! She even shared a shocker (at least for Brad and me) in this episode. Definitely worth the listen!

If you missed episode 86, here it is; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-86-women-in-security-pt-3-victoria/id1442520920?i=1000480167348

Thank you Victoria!

Women in Security Series – Part Four

Kristin was our first non-FRSecure guest in the series. This was a great interview! Kristin shared how she got her introduction to information security while she was serving as an elected official (Washtenaw County Commissioner). She has an incredible journey so far, especially considering she has only been in the industry for a little more than 10 years.

She held some very exciting roles before founding the Cybercrime Support Network in late-2017. Her passion for helping people is inspiring, and we’re looking forward to making a difference in this industry together!

Learn about Kristin Judge, her journey, her opinions, and her work founding and running the Cybercrime Support Network in episode 87. If you missed it, go give it a listen; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-87-women-in-security-pt-4-kristin-judge/id1442520920?i=1000482892565

Truly an amazing person; we loved chatting with her!

Thank you Kristin!

Women in Security Series – Part Five

It was a pleasure having Andrea join us in this episode! She is a Senior at Pennsylvania State University (Penn State), majoring in Cybersecurity Analytics and Operations. She is an avid listener to our show who contacted us through email about a question she had. She was shocked and VERY appreciative when we asked her to join us. We were pleasantly surprised by how well-spoken and determined she was.

Andrea has an incredible future ahead of her in the information security industry! Here’s her take on things in episode 88, WARNING: You’ll be impressed!

Thank you Andrea!

This brings us to today’s episode…

Women in Security Series – Part Six

Today’s guest is Judy Hatchett, a top-notch, no nonsense information security leader. She is the first Chief Information Security Officer we’ve had on the show in the series, and she’s more than worthy. We first met Judy back when she was the CISO at Fairview, and we’ve  been cheering her on (from a distance) in her new role at Surescripts. You’re going to love her perspectives and opinions!

WELCOME JUDY!

 

Let’s get to the show, shall we?

Brad’s leading the show this week, and these are his notes…


SHOW NOTES – Episode 89

Date: Monday, July 20th, 2020

Episode 89 Topics

  • Opening
  • Introducing Our Special Guest: Judy Hatchett (Vice President and Chief Information Security Officer at Surescripts)
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Women in Security
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Brad] Welcome back! This is episode 89 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and I’m your host this week, Brad Nigh. Today is July 20th, and joining me this morning as usual is Evan Francen. Good morning Evan.

[Evan] Cue Evan

[Brad] Today we’re recording Part Six of the Women in Security Series, and I’m excited to welcome our guest! She’s someone we greatly respect and someone with the experience to demand it! Today we welcome Judy Hatchett (Information security corporate leader and expert formerly with Accenture, Best Buy, SUPERVALU, 3M, Fairview Health Services, and current VP, Information Security and CISO at Surescripts) to the show. Welcome Judy!

[Judy] We know Judy and we expect something positive and/or funny

[Brad] Before we get going let’s recap our week.

Catching Up

[Evan] I don’t know if I talked to Evan since the last podcast (episode 88), I don’t know what’s up…

[Brad] And how about you Judy?

[Judy] Probably something cool…

Quick discussion about last week, the weekend, or whatever else comes to mind.

  • How are you guys?
  • Tell me about your weekend quick.
  • Anything in particular that you’re excited about?

[Brad] Thanks guys! Alright, let’s get to it.

Women in Security, Part Six

[Brad] This is the sixth week of our series discussing the topic of women in the information security industry.  I think we are starting to see some commonalities from the last five guests and I’m curious to see if Judy has similar insights. I’m also really looking forward to hearing another “outsider’s” perspective and continue this conversation. So with that let’s dive in!

Do we have a shortage of women in our industry? If so, what’s the big deal? Why is the topic important for us to talk about? Lot’s of questions and I’m sure just about everyone has an opinion. Instead of people listening to our opinions, we’re going to talk to the people this relates to the most; women! What better way to get a woman’s perspective on things than to talk to a woman? Let’s do this.

Open Discussion (~30 minutes)

  • How did you get started in this field (information security)?
  • Tell us how you got to where you’re at today.
  • Each of the ladies we’ve had on the show has given us some great insight and wisdom:
    • Part 1 – Renay mentioned the importance of being strong.
    • Part 2 – Lori mentioned the importance of mentoring
    • Part 3 – Victoria mentioned the importance of staying focused.
    • Part 4 – Kristin mentioned the importance of being yourself.
    • Part 5 – Andrea mentioned the importance of finding support.
    • Have you listened to what these ladies had to say in their interviews? If so, what were your thoughts?
  • What advice do you have for someone who’s just starting out?
  • Have you experienced the “bro culture” in our industry? If so, can you share the experience with us?
  • Have you heard about our (alleged) industry talent shortage?
    • Do you think we need more women in our industry and why?
    • Opinions about the talent shortage in our industry.
  • What can we do better in recruiting more people, and specifically more women in our industry?
  • Whatever else we’d like to share.

[Brad] Thank you Judy! Good information and things to think about more. Much appreciated! How about some quick news stuff?

Judy, please stick around. If you’ve got anything to add to our commentary, please don’t hesitate.

News

[Brad] More newsy things…

Lastly, I don’t think we need to spend any time on it as it’s been covered extensively but I thought Krebs had a really good writeup on the Twitter hack that the listeners will probably enjoy.

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Brad] There you go, episode 89 is in the bag. Thank you Judy for a great sixth installment of to the Women in Security series. Either of you have any shout outs this week?

[Evan and/or Judy] We’ll see.

[Brad] Thank you to all our listeners! Thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @BradNigh, and Evan is @evanfrancen. Judy, is there a particular way you’d prefer people to find you?

Lastly, be sure to follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 86 Show Notes – Women in Security Pt3

Hoping everyone reading this is healthy and doing well. Losing focus on what matters is too easy in today’s craziness. Reach out to someone if you need a listen.

Women in Security Series

Well, we’re a couple weeks into the Women in Security Series, and so far the feedback has been great! Brad and I continue to learn great things from our guests. We’re not sure yet how long the series will go yet, but we have guests booked for the next six (6) shows (after this one). So, we DO know the Women in Security Series will go through (at least) episode 92 (August 10th). The guests we have lined up are incredible:

  • Today – Victoria Fogarty (see below)
  • Episode 87 – CEO of an information security-related non-profit
  • Episode 88 – A Senior, majoring in Cybersecurity Analytics and Operations at a leading university
  • Episode 89 – A CISO from a really cool large company
  • Episodes 90 through 92 – A CISO working in healthcare, a renowned educator, and a cool lady working in information security sales.

This journey is just getting started!

Women in Security Series – Part One

We kicked off the Women in Security series on June 15th, and we couldn’t have chosen a better first guest! Renay Rutter, FRSecure’s COO, got the series started with sharing her experience, wisdom, and insight she’s gained over her 30+ year IT career. Brad and I learned a ton!

If you missed this episode, you can catch up here; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-84-women-in-security-pt-1-renay-rutter/id1442520920?i=1000478037575

Thank you Renay!

Women in Security Series – Part Two

We kept things in the FRSecure family for week two, hosting Lori Blair. Lori is a treasure chest of information security knowledge and wisdom, beginning from when she started her information security career in 1985. Think about that for a second; 1985?! For the math folks in the house, that’s 35 years!

I have a TON of respect for Lori, and her opinions carry weight for me (and many others). It’s not just her experience that makes Lori amazing, she’s a wonderful, practical, and level-headed person who loves mentoring others. This is a can’t miss episode, go give a listen here; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-85-women-in-security-pt-2-lori-blair/id1442520920?i=1000479175255

Thank you Lori!

Women in Security Series – Part Three

Here we are, Part Three. In episode 86 (this one), we’ll introduce you to Victoria Fogarty. Victoria works at FRSecure and does some pretty cool things around here. You’ll get to meet her and hear her perspective on all sorts of things, including the information security industry (as a whole), her journey, what it’s like to do what she does, etc. Victoria is a pretty cool lady, and you’ll definitely enjoy her energy!

WELCOME VICTORIA!

Let’s get on with the show!

I’m (Evan) leading the show this week, and these are my notes…


SHOW NOTES – Episode 86

Date: Monday, June 29th, 2020

Episode 86 Topics

  • Opening
  • Introducing Our Special Guest: Victoria Fogarty
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Women in Security
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Hey all! Welcome to this episode, number 86, of the UNSECURITY Podcast! For those of you who are new to the show, I’m your host, Evan Francen, and the date is June 29th, 2020. We’re a good 100(ish) days into the COVID pandemic here in the States, so it’s easy to lose track of the date. At least for me it is! Joining me this morning is my good friend and colleague, Mr. Brad Nigh. Morning Brad!

[Brad] <<<INSERT BRAD’S GREETING HERE>>>

[Evan] We’re on our 3rd week of the Women in Security series, and I’m super excited to welcome our guest, Victoria Fogarty! Victoria works here at FRSecure and is an all-around awesome person! Join me in welcoming Victoria. Welcome Victoria!

[Victoria] Every time I’ve talked with Victoria, she’s always got energy and a GREAT attitude. Let’s see if this is true at 7am on Monday morning (when we record the UNSECURITY Podcast)

[Evan] You all know what we do first before jumping into business, we check in quick. What’s up guys? How you doing, and how was your weekend?

Catching Up

Quick discussion about last week, the weekend, or whatever else comes to mind.

[Brad] Guessing he got outside, did some family stuff, did some yard/garden work, made some sweet BBQ, and other cool things.

[Evan] Victoria, how about you?

[Victoria] Looking forward to this. I don’t really know what Victoria does for fun, hobbies, etc. Opportunity to learn.

[Evan] Ugh. Interesting weekend (aren’t they all?) here…

Alright, now on to our series topic.

Women in Security, Part Three

[Evan] This is the 3rd week in the Women in Security Series. It’s been a blast so far! Feedback keeps rolling in, and so do the guests. I’m excited to hear about Victoria’s perspectives because honestly, I don’t know many (if any) of them. This will be a great discussion!

So, Victoria, thanks again for joining us. Let’s start out with how you got started with information security.

Open Discussion (~30 minutes)

  • How you got into the industry?
  • Your journey in the industry.
  • Advice you have for someone starting out.
  • Do you think we need more women in our industry and why?
  • Opinions about the talent shortage in our industry.
  • What can we do better in recruiting more people, and specifically more women in our industry?
  • Whatever else we’d like to share.

[Evan] Thank you Victoria! Nice work! I’m sure our listeners learned some good things.

News

[Evan] Time for newsy things again. My God, there’s never a shortage of news, is there?! We could use an entire day and not cover it all. Our day jobs won’t allow us an entire day, so I’ll just take a few that caught my eye:

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] There you have it. Episode 86 is almost in the books. Just wrapping up and shout outs before we go. Victoria, thank you for joining us. Also, thank you for sharing you story and your thoughts.

You’re going to enjoy next week’s guest too! We’re going outside FRSecure to get perspectives from women beyond these four walls. Going to be a great show!

Either of you have any shout outs this week?

[Brad and/or Victoria] We’ll see.

[Evan] Thank you listeners! You guys are pretty cool, I think. Send us your questions, feedback and suggestions by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. We still need to talk about the whole Mandiant, Capital One, incident response, confidential legal report thing. Ugh! Maybe next week.

Online social people can follow us on Twitter. I’m @evanfrancen and Brad is @BradNigh. Victoria, you got somewhere you want people to follow/interact with you?

[Victoria] Maybe/maybe not.

The companies we work for are pretty social too. SecurityStudio’s Twitter is @studiosecurity and FRSecure’s Twiiter is @FRSecure.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 83 Show Notes – It’s About People

Ever have so many things going on that you can’t remember what happened last week? Yeah, that’s where I’m at right now.

Pretty sure Brad’s in the same place I am. So, rather than recapping everything (or trying to), I’ll just get to the show notes.

These are Brad’s show notes this week…


SHOW NOTES – Episode 83

Date: Monday, June 8th, 2020

Episode 83 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Information Security Isn’t About Information or Security
  • Work, Life, and Mental Health
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Brad] Welcome back! This is episode 83 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and I’m your host this week, Brad Nigh. Today is June 8th, and joining me this morning as usual is Evan Francen.

[Evan] Regales us with stories from the weekend. Oh God!

[Brad] Before we get going let’s recap our week.

Catching Up

Quick discussion about last week, the weekend, family, safety etc.

[Brad] What would you say you do here Evan?

[Evan] Hmmm. Good question! This outta be interesting.

Information Security Isn’t About Information or Security

Discussion about people, information security, working remote, stress, and overall mental health.

[Brad] Your blog from last Tuesday (Information Security Isn’t About Information or Security) really inspired me for this week’s podcast.  There have been countless articles written about how to secure remote workers so we aren’t going to focus on that, though it will probably come up in the course of this discussion.

Here’s the reality, it’s no secret that InfoSec and IT staff struggle with stress and a healthy work/life balance (Mental Health and Cybersecurity).  There really is no “done for the day”, systems can be attacked or suffer an outage anytime.  Add to that the now nearly 3 months of social distancing and quarantine that add even more stress.  We’ve seen an increase in cyber attacks the last 3 months and if your staff is struggling and has lost focus or is more distracted than usual your risk increases even more. So what can we do about it?  (Disclaimer, neither Evan or I are licensed mental health professionals and this conversation should not be taken as professional advice).

From an information security perspective I think you really captured the increased risks to organizations during this unprecedented time in your blog.

As a leader in an organization the employees’ health is critical, looking at it from a business perspective if they are not able to work we cannot deliver for our customers, but to me that feels cold & cynical.  I really do care for every one of our employees, I have a personal, vested interest in their well-being and want to be aware and in-touch with their status… That has become incredibly difficult during this time when you can’t read them face-to-face.

So what I want to do is talk about how we can be more aware and help reduce these risks.  First is being aware, I found these articles that I thought were really good to help identify and be proactive.

And then some really solid advice for employees, or really anyone feeling additional stress right now.

[Brad] Good conversation. Thank you Evan.

Let’s do some news…

News

[Brad] Always plenty of things to talk about in the news, and here’s a few stories that caught my eye this week:

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Brad] Alright, that’s it. Episode 83 is a wrap. We got any shout outs this week?

[Evan] We’ll see.

[Brad] Next week is Evan’s show and I think he’s sort of itchin’ to tell us his idea.

[Evan] Yep. Tune in.

[Brad] Thank you to all our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @BradNigh (B-R-A-D-N-I-G-H) and this other dude is @evanfrancen (just spell his name without a space). Lastly, be sure to follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for goodies and things.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 82 Show Notes – World On Fire

So, in case you missed it, the world blew up last week. Again.

This time it’s not COVID-19 that takes the headlines, it’s rioting. Rioting that was triggered by (NOT caused by) one of the most disturbing videos I’ve ever watched, that of Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin kneeling on the neck of George Floyd. As I write this, riots are taking place (or have taken place) in Atlanta, Bakersfield, Boston, Chicago, Columbus, Dallas/Fort Worth, Des Moines, Denver, Detroit, District of Columbia, Houston, Los Angeles, Louisville, Memphis, Minneapolis, New York City, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, and San Jose, among many others. The media is reporting riots are even taking place in other countries!

Seems like the world is on fire. While this isn’t the place for us to dig into the debate about racial injustice and inequality, we’ve all got opinions (and I’ll share mine later, in another place/time). The UNSECURITY Podcast is dedicated to information security, so we’ll stay on topic. Today’s current events are hard to process, but a relevant question is, what do current events mean to/for information security? This will be our topic.

I’m not going to recap last week/weekend personal events here either. We might discuss these things a little during the time that Brad and I catch up with each other, but otherwise, we have plenty to discuss in this episode. Let’s get to it!

These are my (Evan) show notes…


SHOW NOTES – Episode 82

Date: Monday, June 1st, 2020

Episode 82 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • World On Fire
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Hey there! Welcome to episode 82 of the UNSECURITY Podcast. Today’s date is June 1st, 2020. Due to a lack of personal hygiene, well mostly a hair cut, I’m your information security chia pet, Evan Francen. Joining me is my good friend and co-host Brad Nigh. Good morning Brad!

[Brad] He wishes all the listeners nothing but the best of mornings!

[Evan] Some serious stuff to talk about in today’s show, but one of the most serious things, for me at least, is checking in with you. How you doing Mr. Nigh?

Catching Up

Quick discussion about last week, the weekend, family, safety etc.

[Brad] Gives us the low down on his haps.

[Evan] I give the low down on my haps. Also, I hit a deer on my motorcycle on Saturday (again). What the?!?! Who does this?

World On Fire

[Evan] It was easy to pick a topic for this week’s show. Just when you think the world couldn’t get any crazier, we encounter the events of last week. There are so many thoughts and emotions running through our heads. Everything from sorrow to anger to frustration and everything in between. We don’t ever want to shy away from tough issues, but we also need to keep things on topic (information security) for the show. What I’d like to do is discuss today’s current events and apply them to what we do. Ultimately, what do all these things mean to information security?

Whatya say Brad, you game?

[Brad] He’s a smart and competitive son of a gun. You know he’s game!

Things to discuss:

  • FRSecure’s Information Security Principle #1; a business is in business to make money.
  • Physical security implications, lessons, ideas, etc.
  • What does this mean for cyber/technical security?
  • Some organizations are targets.
  • Personnel information security implications.
  • If COVID-19 wasn’t enough to motivate better response planning, does this?
  • Whatever other pertinent thoughts come to mind.

[Evan] Great discussion and lots of good advice I think! Let’s do some newsy stuff.

News

[Evan] Even though information security may not be dominating the news, there are still plenty of information security news stories to choose from. Here are three news stories that caught my eye.

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] Alright listeners! That’s episode 82. Brad, who you got a shout out for?

[Brad] Somebody special for sure!

[Evan] Here’s mine…

[Evan] Thank you to all our listeners! You guys are a big deal to us. PLEASE be safe out there; physically, mentally, and electronically. Let us know what you think of this episode or whatever else is on your mind. Send us things (preferably not malware, but whatever) by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @evanfrancen and you can find this Brad guy @BradNigh. If you wanna follow our company’s stuff, you can follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for whatever cool things they’re up to.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 81 Show Notes – Hard Truths

Welcome back! Episode 81 is sure to be a good one, but before I get started, just a few thoughts…

We just went through our first Memorial Day weekend under COVID-19. I don’t know what to say about it, other than the world seems as crazy, or crazier, than ever. Seems like 1/2 the country is out and about like everything’s normal while the other 1/2 of the country stays cooped up as though the apocalypse were upon us. To complicate matters, both halves seem to look upon each other with disdain.

We’re learning more and more each day about this coronavirus we call COVID-19. One thing appears certain, we’ve had crappy data to work with since day one. Crappy data leads to crappy decisions and crappy decisions lead to crappy outcomes. I’ll just leave it at that.

Memorial Day

This is one of my favorite holidays. I wonder how many of us know what it stands for or what it means. I wonder because I was wished a Happy Memorial Day numerous times yesterday, yet there’s nothing “happy” about it. The day is set aside to remember and honor our nation’s war dead from the Civil War onwards. It’s a day to stop what you’re doing, spend (at least) a few moments remembering the sacrifices that were made by our soldiers, and be grateful.

I suppose there are happy parts too, but these are mostly the product of what somebody else gave for you and me.

Not sure if I’m in a pissier mood today or what. No matter, I’ll snap out of it soon. Let’s get to Brad’s show notes!


SHOW NOTES – Episode 81

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2020

Episode 81 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Hard Truths
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Brad] Welcome back! This is episode 81 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and I’m your host this week, Brad Nigh. Today is May 26th, and joining me this morning as usual is Evan Francen.

[Evan] Has some sort of story for us I’m sure

[Brad] We’ve got a good show planned today! Before we get going though, let’s recap our week.

Catching Up

Quick discussion about last week, Memorial Day, last weekend, COVID-19, life, and other stuff.

[Evan] Evan talks about the cool things he did.

[Brad] I talk about the cool things I did.

Hard Truths

[Brad] So interestingly, at least to me, this is the first time I struggled with what to cover in our podcast.  Maybe the monotony of quarantine, the tidal wave of news around breaches and new attack vectors, or just plain old writer’s block but even sitting down to write this I don’t know where it ended up.

Because I was stuck I decided to start with news, there have been several really interesting things that have come out lately and that’s when I found this article from CSO Online 6 hard truths security pros must learn to live with and, yeah we can talk about this.

The Hard Truths

Discussion about the hard truths outlined in the CSO Online article:

  1. Hackers are probably inside your network right now
  2. You can do everything right and a careless end user can ruin everything
  3. You face critical staffing and skills shortages
  4. IoT creates new and unforeseen security problems
  5. You sometimes feel misunderstood and underappreciated
  6. Stress, anxiety and burnout come with the territory

[Brad] Good conversation, thank you Evan.

Let’s do some news…

News

[Brad] Always plenty of things to talk about in the news, and here’s a few stories that caught my eye

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Brad] That’s it, Episode 81 is a wrap. Evan, you have any shout outs?

[Evan] Of course he does!

[Brad] Here’s mine…

[Brad] Huge thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @BradNigh and Evan’s @evanfrancen. Lastly, be sure to follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 80 Show Notes – Zero Trust

We write our show notes either at the end of the week (Friday) or at the very beginning of the next (Sunday). It’s easier to remember the things that happened during the week on Friday than Sunday, that’s for sure! Only one day away (Saturday), and it’s easy to forget all that we did.

Most weeks are crazy, for us at FRSecure and SecurityStudio, and for people in general.

Normal(ish)

Are you feeling like things are slowly returning to normal? I am, and it’s great news! Personally, I don’t like the term “new normal”. I think I don’t like it because I feel like people have twisted it to serve their own desires and/or opinions without any factual basis. Normal is normal, and the greatest abnormality (in my opinion) has been our lack of in-person contact. We’ve been built, or wired, for analog personal interaction. Digital, online interaction will never substitute for it, and the longer we go without it, the more mentally unhealthy we become.

Four Things

Last week was a great week! Four cool things stand out in particular:

  1. Last week’s podcast was awesome! I love every opportunity to chat with Brad, and it’s a blessing to hang out every Monday morning. Recording episode 79 was a great way to kick things off last week. If you missed it, we talked about information security in K12, and you should go catch it.
  2. We made great progress in helping state governments last week! Had a great conversation with Minnesota’s CISO, Rohit Tandon, on Wednesday as we discussed third-party information security risk management. This was followed by the scheduling of a similar meeting with the State of New Mexico and joining the National Association of State CIOs (NASCIO) Cybersecurity Committee on Thursday.
  3. Chris Roberts, Ryan Cloutier, and I did Episode #1 of The Security Shit Show on Thursday night. It was a ton of fun hanging out with these guys! We’re planning to do our episodes/shows live every Thursday night at 10pm CDT, record them for future playback, and use he audio for our podcast. It’s definitely entertaining for our viewers/listeners and therapeutic for us. Be sure to tune in if you can!
  4. The Daily inSANITY Check-ins are still going strong, and this past week was great! People supporting each other and helping where we can is what it’s all about. Come join us when you can.

There were many great things about last week, but these were the four that came to mind when I sat down to write these show notes.

Speaking of show notes, let’s get to it! Today we’re going to talk about Zero Trust; what it is, why it’s a hot topic today, and what you should be doing about it.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 80

Date: Monday, May 18th, 2020

Episode 80 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Zero Trust
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Hey everyone! Welcome to the UNSECURITY Podcast. This is episode 80, the date is May 18th, 2020, and I’m Evan Francen. With me today is my co-host, Brad Nigh. Good morning Brad!

[Brad] We’ll see what sort of mood Brad is in this morning…

[Evan] We’ve got a good show planned today! There’s this thing called “zero trust” that people are talking about, and I thought it’d be good for you and I to discuss it. Personally, I’ve received a lot of questions about it, and I’m sure you have too Brad. Like always, before we dig in, let’s catch up. What were some highlights for you from last week and how was your weekend?

Catching Up

Quick discussion about last week, last weekend, COVID-19, life, and other stuff.

Zero Trust

[Evan] A simple Google search of Zero Trust turns up “About 691,000,000 results”. A Google search of “Zero Trust” (with quotes) turns up “About 1,940,000 results“. So, clearly there are a lot of people who know what it means, right? Here’s some returns from the first page of search results:

The fact that there are so many “what is zero trust?” search returns might be a hint that people are confused. Let’s tackle this!

Zero Trust Discussion

Let’s try to clear some of the confusion:

  • What is Zero Trust?
  • Is it really new?
  • Is Zero Trust possible?
  • If I want Zero Trust, what do I need to do?
  • What common mistakes should I look out for?

[Evan] Alright. Good talk Brad. Thanks for sharing your insight! I think our listeners have a clearer picture of Zero Trust and what it means to them. If they have additional questions or comments, they can always contact us for more!

News

[Evan] News stuff! What the heck happened in the world last week? Let’s see…

I found four articles that caught my attention. Let’s talk about them!

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] Never a shortage of things to talk about in this industry is there? Well, episode 80 of the UNSECURITY Podcast is just about a wrap. Brad, you have any shoutouts?

[Brad] Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t…

[Evan] Here’s mine…

[Evan] Can’t say enough thanks to our listeners! Crazy how we run into you in all sorts of places. Stay safe and let us know how we can help you. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @evanfrancen and Brad’s @BradNigh. Thinking about coming to hang out at the Daily inSANITY Check-in? You can follow this on Twitter too at @InSanityIn.

There you go, have a great week!