The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 56 Show Notes

Brad and I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday! We have so many things to be thankful for, including our faith, our families, our work families (FRSecure and SecurityStudio), our friends, our partners, our clients, and last, but not least, our UNSECURITY Podcast listeners!

Our listeners make our podcast worthwhile.

If you missed last week, we introduced you to one of the most amazing 15 year-old kids you’ll ever meet, Zoe Bundy. She’s an all around awesome gal, and the founder of Brainy Ladies. Give it a listen. You won’t be disappointed!

This week we welcome another special guest, Justin Webb. Justin is a “Data Privacy & Cybersecurity Attorney / Chief Information Security Officer at Godfrey & Kahn, S.C.”. We’re going to talk to Justin about all sorts of legal information security and privacy stuff. It’ll be like 30-40 minutes of free legal advice (sort of)!

I’m (Evan) leading the show this week, and here are my notes.

SHOW NOTES – Episode 56

Date: Monday, December 2nd, 2019

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • Introducing Justin Webb
    • Who is Justin Webb?
    • Target vs. Chubb
    • The California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA)
    • China’s Cryptography Law
  • New Show Format (reminder)
  • News

[Evan] Welcome back! Unless you’re lost, you know this is the UNSECURITY Podcast. This is episode 56, and I’m Evan Francen, your host. The date is December 2nd, and joining me is my buddy Brad Nigh. Sup Brad?

[BradShares some of the simple things in life.

[Evan] How was your Thanksgiving holiday?

[Brad] Great, duh!

[Evan] We have another awesome show planned today! A couple of weeks ago, I read a news story about Target suing Chubb, their insurance provider, about claims related to the infamous Target breach of 2013. Here we are, six years later, and the fallout continues.

People who know my past, know that I spent twenty-one months consulting the Special Litigation Committee (SLC) of Target Corporation’s Board of Directors who addressed the derivative claims
arising out of the December 2013 data breach. I mention this only because I’m still obligated to maintain confidentiality from this work, and for perspective. I was privileged to see almost everything about this breach, or at least it seemed that way.

So, I read the news about this lawsuit, and I figured I’d reach out to my favorite cyber-insurance guy, David Kruse and get his take. David introduced me to this cool cat, Justin Webb, an information security stud and data privacy attorney with Godfrey & Kahn, a leading law firm out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Welcome Justin!

[Justin] Justin does Justin.

[Evan] I’m sort of looking at this like we get 30 minutes or so of free legal advice. Right?

[Justin] Probably not right, but whatever.

[Evan] We’re very excited to have you join us Justin!

Discussion with Justin

Conversation items:

[Evan] Good stuff! Legalling is exhausting. Thank you Justin for providing your insight and advice!

New Show Format Discussion (reminder)

[Evan] Just a quick reminder about the upcoming new addition to the show, starting after the first of the year. We’re devoting ten minutes of each show to anyone who’s looking for a job in the information security industry. Email us at if you want your slot! We’ll respond to you on a first come, first serve basis.

We’ve already received some emails, which is super cool!

If you’re chosen, and the time works out, we’ll invite you on to our show to learn about you. Think of this as a quick 10 minute interview. We’ll work out the kinks between now and the time we kick this off, but we’ll have a standard format defined by then.

If you’re looking for a job, use us to help you get the word out! Stay tuned, we’ll mention this a few more times before we make this change official.

OK, now some news…


[Evan] Alright, what the heck happened this last week? Let’s see…


[Evan] That’s it. Episode 56 is a wrap. Thank you to Justin Webb for joining us and for sharing your perspective.

Thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. We’re still a little behind on responding right now, so please be patient with us. We love your feedback. Send things to us by email at If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @evanfrancen and Brad’s @BradNigh. Justin, how do you want people to socialize with you?

Follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies there too!

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 52 Show Notes

Yay us! This is the one year anniversary of the UNSECURITY Podcast! 

Episode 52. One year, one episode per week, fifty-two episodes. Hard to believe it’s already been a year. We didn’t miss a single week, and if you know us (well, me anyway), you know that’s almost miraculous. Some weeks were tough to get something recorded, but we did it anyway.

Last week was a good one around here. I’m not sure what Brad’s been up to because we haven’t caught up with each other yet.

For me, I gave a couple talks at a couple of conferences, made a short Dallas trip, and did some other neat stuff.

Last week was a great show with special guest, lead pen-tester, and all around awesome guy Eric Hanson. We’re pleased to have another special guest this week! David Kruse is joining us to share his perspectives on things. It’s gonna be another great show!

My show to lead this week and these are my notes.

SHOW NOTES – Episode 52

Date: Monday, November 4th, 2019

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • One Year Anniversary
  • Introducing David Kruse
    • How’d you get here? 
    • Cyber Insurance
    • Speaking
  • Industry News

[Evan] Hey UNSECURITY Podcast listeners! This is episode 52, the date is November 4th, 2019, and I’m your host, Evan Francen. My guy is with me, Brad Nigh. Tell the folks something Brad.

[BradWords, words, words, etc.

[Evan] Alright, we’ve got a great show planned!

  • We’re going to talk about 0ur first year of podcasting, and some of what we’ve learned.
  • We’re going to welcome our guest David Kruse. He’s an awesome dude who’s got a cool career story. He also knows a ton about cyber insurance, so we’re going ask him all sorts of challenging cyber insurance questions.
  • After all this, we’re going to discuss some interesting news stories, including Google’s Fitbit purchase announcement.\

Ready Brad?

[Brad] Of course he is.

[Evan] OK. Joining us this morning is a pretty swell guy, David Kruse. Good morning David!

[David] Unless we have technical issues, David will probably say something.

[Evan] You guys, I can’t believe this is the one year anniversary of the UNSECURITY Podcast! We’ll do the official One Year Anniversary Show next week, but let’s talk about this.

One Year Anniversary Discussion
  • Reminiscing – some cool and some funny show moments
  • People we’ve met, and some of our favorite peeps
  • What’s next? Ideas.

[Evan] It’s been a good year. Here’s to an even better one ahead! OK, now let’s talk about you David. 

Introducing David Kruse
  • How’d you get here? – One of the most fascinating things David shared with me was his career path. It’s pretty wild. There are some interesting parallels between his path and mine. Should be a good talk!
  • Cyber Insurance – David has some awesome cyber insurance experience and advice.
  • Speaking – David does some speaking, including keynotes. Let’s get his perspective, tips, and tricks on this too.

[Evan] It’s great talking to you and it’s great knowing you David! Thanks for sharing brother. Let’s wrap the show up with some news stories. 


[Evan] We’ve got two (maybe three) news stories to discuss this week, but one news story in particular that caught my eye was Google’s intended purchase of FitBit. Ugh.


[Evan] Episode 52 is a wrap. Well, almost. Thank you for joining us David! Hopefully we can do this again in the future.

Thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. We love it,. Send things to us by email at If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @evanfrancen, and Brad’s @BradNigh. David, do you have a way you want people to social ice with you? 

Follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies!

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!