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The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 86 Show Notes – Women in Security Pt3

Hoping everyone reading this is healthy and doing well. Losing focus on what matters is too easy in today’s craziness. Reach out to someone if you need a listen.

Women in Security Series

Well, we’re a couple weeks into the Women in Security Series, and so far the feedback has been great! Brad and I continue to learn great things from our guests. We’re not sure yet how long the series will go yet, but we have guests booked for the next six (6) shows (after this one). So, we DO know the Women in Security Series will go through (at least) episode 92 (August 10th). The guests we have lined up are incredible:

  • Today – Victoria Fogarty (see below)
  • Episode 87 – CEO of an information security-related non-profit
  • Episode 88 – A Senior, majoring in Cybersecurity Analytics and Operations at a leading university
  • Episode 89 – A CISO from a really cool large company
  • Episodes 90 through 92 – A CISO working in healthcare, a renowned educator, and a cool lady working in information security sales.

This journey is just getting started!

Women in Security Series – Part One

We kicked off the Women in Security series on June 15th, and we couldn’t have chosen a better first guest! Renay Rutter, FRSecure’s COO, got the series started with sharing her experience, wisdom, and insight she’s gained over her 30+ year IT career. Brad and I learned a ton!

If you missed this episode, you can catch up here; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-84-women-in-security-pt-1-renay-rutter/id1442520920?i=1000478037575

Thank you Renay!

Women in Security Series – Part Two

We kept things in the FRSecure family for week two, hosting Lori Blair. Lori is a treasure chest of information security knowledge and wisdom, beginning from when she started her information security career in 1985. Think about that for a second; 1985?! For the math folks in the house, that’s 35 years!

I have a TON of respect for Lori, and her opinions carry weight for me (and many others). It’s not just her experience that makes Lori amazing, she’s a wonderful, practical, and level-headed person who loves mentoring others. This is a can’t miss episode, go give a listen here; https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unsecurity-episode-85-women-in-security-pt-2-lori-blair/id1442520920?i=1000479175255

Thank you Lori!

Women in Security Series – Part Three

Here we are, Part Three. In episode 86 (this one), we’ll introduce you to Victoria Fogarty. Victoria works at FRSecure and does some pretty cool things around here. You’ll get to meet her and hear her perspective on all sorts of things, including the information security industry (as a whole), her journey, what it’s like to do what she does, etc. Victoria is a pretty cool lady, and you’ll definitely enjoy her energy!

WELCOME VICTORIA!

Let’s get on with the show!

I’m (Evan) leading the show this week, and these are my notes…


SHOW NOTES – Episode 86

Date: Monday, June 29th, 2020

Episode 86 Topics

  • Opening
  • Introducing Our Special Guest: Victoria Fogarty
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Women in Security
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Hey all! Welcome to this episode, number 86, of the UNSECURITY Podcast! For those of you who are new to the show, I’m your host, Evan Francen, and the date is June 29th, 2020. We’re a good 100(ish) days into the COVID pandemic here in the States, so it’s easy to lose track of the date. At least for me it is! Joining me this morning is my good friend and colleague, Mr. Brad Nigh. Morning Brad!

[Brad] <<<INSERT BRAD’S GREETING HERE>>>

[Evan] We’re on our 3rd week of the Women in Security series, and I’m super excited to welcome our guest, Victoria Fogarty! Victoria works here at FRSecure and is an all-around awesome person! Join me in welcoming Victoria. Welcome Victoria!

[Victoria] Every time I’ve talked with Victoria, she’s always got energy and a GREAT attitude. Let’s see if this is true at 7am on Monday morning (when we record the UNSECURITY Podcast)

[Evan] You all know what we do first before jumping into business, we check in quick. What’s up guys? How you doing, and how was your weekend?

Catching Up

Quick discussion about last week, the weekend, or whatever else comes to mind.

[Brad] Guessing he got outside, did some family stuff, did some yard/garden work, made some sweet BBQ, and other cool things.

[Evan] Victoria, how about you?

[Victoria] Looking forward to this. I don’t really know what Victoria does for fun, hobbies, etc. Opportunity to learn.

[Evan] Ugh. Interesting weekend (aren’t they all?) here…

Alright, now on to our series topic.

Women in Security, Part Three

[Evan] This is the 3rd week in the Women in Security Series. It’s been a blast so far! Feedback keeps rolling in, and so do the guests. I’m excited to hear about Victoria’s perspectives because honestly, I don’t know many (if any) of them. This will be a great discussion!

So, Victoria, thanks again for joining us. Let’s start out with how you got started with information security.

Open Discussion (~30 minutes)

  • How you got into the industry?
  • Your journey in the industry.
  • Advice you have for someone starting out.
  • Do you think we need more women in our industry and why?
  • Opinions about the talent shortage in our industry.
  • What can we do better in recruiting more people, and specifically more women in our industry?
  • Whatever else we’d like to share.

[Evan] Thank you Victoria! Nice work! I’m sure our listeners learned some good things.

News

[Evan] Time for newsy things again. My God, there’s never a shortage of news, is there?! We could use an entire day and not cover it all. Our day jobs won’t allow us an entire day, so I’ll just take a few that caught my eye:

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] There you have it. Episode 86 is almost in the books. Just wrapping up and shout outs before we go. Victoria, thank you for joining us. Also, thank you for sharing you story and your thoughts.

You’re going to enjoy next week’s guest too! We’re going outside FRSecure to get perspectives from women beyond these four walls. Going to be a great show!

Either of you have any shout outs this week?

[Brad and/or Victoria] We’ll see.

[Evan] Thank you listeners! You guys are pretty cool, I think. Send us your questions, feedback and suggestions by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. We still need to talk about the whole Mandiant, Capital One, incident response, confidential legal report thing. Ugh! Maybe next week.

Online social people can follow us on Twitter. I’m @evanfrancen and Brad is @BradNigh. Victoria, you got somewhere you want people to follow/interact with you?

[Victoria] Maybe/maybe not.

The companies we work for are pretty social too. SecurityStudio’s Twitter is @studiosecurity and FRSecure’s Twiiter is @FRSecure.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 81 Show Notes – Hard Truths

Welcome back! Episode 81 is sure to be a good one, but before I get started, just a few thoughts…

We just went through our first Memorial Day weekend under COVID-19. I don’t know what to say about it, other than the world seems as crazy, or crazier, than ever. Seems like 1/2 the country is out and about like everything’s normal while the other 1/2 of the country stays cooped up as though the apocalypse were upon us. To complicate matters, both halves seem to look upon each other with disdain.

We’re learning more and more each day about this coronavirus we call COVID-19. One thing appears certain, we’ve had crappy data to work with since day one. Crappy data leads to crappy decisions and crappy decisions lead to crappy outcomes. I’ll just leave it at that.

Memorial Day

This is one of my favorite holidays. I wonder how many of us know what it stands for or what it means. I wonder because I was wished a Happy Memorial Day numerous times yesterday, yet there’s nothing “happy” about it. The day is set aside to remember and honor our nation’s war dead from the Civil War onwards. It’s a day to stop what you’re doing, spend (at least) a few moments remembering the sacrifices that were made by our soldiers, and be grateful.

I suppose there are happy parts too, but these are mostly the product of what somebody else gave for you and me.

Not sure if I’m in a pissier mood today or what. No matter, I’ll snap out of it soon. Let’s get to Brad’s show notes!


SHOW NOTES – Episode 81

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2020

Episode 81 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Hard Truths
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Brad] Welcome back! This is episode 81 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and I’m your host this week, Brad Nigh. Today is May 26th, and joining me this morning as usual is Evan Francen.

[Evan] Has some sort of story for us I’m sure

[Brad] We’ve got a good show planned today! Before we get going though, let’s recap our week.

Catching Up

Quick discussion about last week, Memorial Day, last weekend, COVID-19, life, and other stuff.

[Evan] Evan talks about the cool things he did.

[Brad] I talk about the cool things I did.

Hard Truths

[Brad] So interestingly, at least to me, this is the first time I struggled with what to cover in our podcast.  Maybe the monotony of quarantine, the tidal wave of news around breaches and new attack vectors, or just plain old writer’s block but even sitting down to write this I don’t know where it ended up.

Because I was stuck I decided to start with news, there have been several really interesting things that have come out lately and that’s when I found this article from CSO Online 6 hard truths security pros must learn to live with and, yeah we can talk about this.

The Hard Truths

Discussion about the hard truths outlined in the CSO Online article:

  1. Hackers are probably inside your network right now
  2. You can do everything right and a careless end user can ruin everything
  3. You face critical staffing and skills shortages
  4. IoT creates new and unforeseen security problems
  5. You sometimes feel misunderstood and underappreciated
  6. Stress, anxiety and burnout come with the territory

[Brad] Good conversation, thank you Evan.

Let’s do some news…

News

[Brad] Always plenty of things to talk about in the news, and here’s a few stories that caught my eye

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Brad] That’s it, Episode 81 is a wrap. Evan, you have any shout outs?

[Evan] Of course he does!

[Brad] Here’s mine…

[Brad] Huge thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @BradNigh and Evan’s @evanfrancen. Lastly, be sure to follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 78 Show Notes – Working From Home

Keeping the show notes short again this week. It was another crazy week at FRSecure and SecurityStudio. We make progress towards our mission each and every day, regardless of COVID-19. Our mission is to fix the broken information security industry, which can be summed up by this statement:

Information security isn’t about information or security as much as it is about people.

When we help people, we help our industry. After all, would anyone care about information security is nobody suffered when things go wrong?

We’ll keep on trucking! We’re grateful for the people who put their trust in us and our credibility.

Let’s just get to it, episode 78 show notes below…


SHOW NOTES – Episode 78

Date: Monday, May 1st, 2020

Episode 78 Topics

  • Opening
  • Catching Up (as per usual)
  • Working from home
  • S2Me/S2Team
  • Listener Mail
  • News
  • Wrapping Up – Shout outs
Opening

[Evan] Hey guys and gals. Welcome to the UNSECURITY Podcast. This is episode 78, the date is May 4th, 2020, and I’m Evan Francen. With me today is my co-host, Brad Nigh. Good morning Brad!

[Brad] It is a good morning and Brad’ll be in a good mood for sure. Let’s see how he responds.

[Evan] Another good show planned for today, but before we jump in, let’s catch up. It’s sort of our usual thing to do about this time.

Catching Up

Quick discussion about some of the cool things we’re doing.

[Evan] We’ve been talking a lot lately about working remote or working from home. This has been a hot topic for some time, but since the COVID-19 outbreak, this is one of the top trending topics in the information security world. Let’s discuss another take on this, more of a future looking strategic perspective.

Working from home

Discussion about:

  1. What work from home looked like before COVID-19.
  2. What happened because of COVID-19.
  3. What the future looks like after COVID-19.

There are plenty of news articles about these topics and there’s no shortage of “expert” advice. Here’s just a few:

  • Is Working From Home The Future Of Work? – https://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2020/04/10/is-working-from-home-the-future-of-work/#4260c2c846b1“An early-April 2020 MIT survey of 25,000 American workers found that 34% of those who’d been employed four weeks earlier said they’re currently working from home. Combined with the roughly 15% who said they’d been working from home pre-COVID-19, that means nearly half the U.S. workforce might now be remote workers.”
    • “The Brookings Institution’s Katherine Guyot and Isabel V. Sawhill just wrote their take on remote work and COVID-19, calling the pandemic “among other things, a massive experiment in telecommuting.”
    • ‘In a March survey of HR execs by the Gartner IT research firm, 76% said the top employee complaint during the pandemic has been “concerns from managers about the productivity or engagement of their teams when remote.”’
    • “In Buffer.com’s9 State of Remote Report, 19% of remote workers called loneliness their biggest struggle with working from home and 17% cited collaborating and/or communication.”
  • Some May Work From Home Permanently After COVID-19: Gartner – https://www.crn.com/news/running-your-business/some-may-work-from-home-permanently-after-covid-19-gartner“Gartner last week released results from a March 30 survey of 317 CFOs and business finance leaders that found 74 percent of those surveyed expect at least 5 percent of their workforce who previously worked in company offices will become permanent work-from-home employees after the pandemic ends.”
    • “According to Gartner, about 25 percent of those surveyed expect 10 percent of their employees will remain remote, 17 percent expect 20 percent will remain remote, 4 percent expect 50 percent will remain remote, and 2 percent expect over 50 percent of employees now working from home to permanently work from home after the pandemic subsides.”
  • Working from home has a troubled history. Coronavirus is exposing its flaws again – https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/working-from-home-history-coronavirus-uk-lockdown“According to the Office for National Statistics, only 5% of the UK labour force worked mainly from home in 2019, but well over a quarter had some experience of home-working.”
    • “With all but key workers confined to their homes, the virtual office is now the new norm – a development that could prove to have far-reaching consequences.”
  • As working from home becomes more widespread, many say they don’t want to go back – https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/24/as-working-from-home-becomes-more-widespread-many-say-they-dont-want-to-go-back.html“States of Play, a joint CNBC/Change Research survey of swing states, finds 42% of respondents nationwide saying they are working from home.”
    • “Once the economy reopens, 24% say they’d like to work either entirely or more from home compared to how they worked before, while 55% plan to head back to the office.”
    • “Some 60% report being either as productive or even more productive than they were working from the office.”

But what about information security?

There is no shortage of information security tips for people working from home. Just a small sampling:

A different approach – S2Me and S2Team

[Evan] In early 2019, SecurityStudio release its first version of S2Me. The S2Me was released (well ahead of COVID-19) to gauge people’s information security habits at home and S2Team was a way to share the results with an employer without violating privacy at home. Last week, SecurityStudio released version two of S2Me and I’d like to talk about all this.

  • What is S2Me?
  • What is S2Team?
  • How do S2Me and S2Team work together?
    • S2Me is a simple, personal information security risk analysis tool for use at home. S2Me helps people understand their risk related to security, privacy, and safety. Once these risks are understood, S2Me attempts to motivate people to build better information security habits at home.
    • S2Team is a collection of S2Me aggregated results to help organizations understand their employees information security habits. Organizations use S2Team to develop better, more personal information security training programs.
    • A couple of quotes from the “Introduction to S2Team and S2Me Topic Descriptions” draft document:
      • “The problem isn’t people. The problem is managing risk related to people.”
      • “People are creatures of habit. People will occasionally deviate from their habits, but habits are their default. Habits create peoples’ baseline and become nearly (or in some cases completely) involuntary.”
      • “People choose to form new habits because if they desire the positive outcome or because they fear a negative one.”
  • A quick peek into S2Me.
  • A quick peek into S2Team

[Evan] I think we’re on the right track, trying to help people build better information security habits at home where everyone ultimately benefits.

Listener Mail

[Evan] A loyal listener, one who got a shout out from me last week, Jason Dance, sent us this article that I thought was interesting and worthy of a brief discussion; It’s Not Just Zoom. Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, and Webex Have Privacy Issues, Too. – https://www.consumerreports.org/video-conferencing-services/videoconferencing-privacy-issues-google-microsoft-webex/

Brief discussion

[Evan] Alright, now some newsy things quick.

News

[Evan] It’s easy to find interesting things to talk about in our industry! Here’s a few that caught my attention:

Wrapping Up – Shout outs

[Evan] Wow. Lots of things. Well, episode 78 is almost in the can. Brad, got a shout out or two?

[Brad] Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t…

[Evan] Here’s mine…

[Evan] Seriously, a huge thank you to our listeners! We love your encouragement and we don’t take your advice lightly. You’re all great! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @evanfrancen and Brad’s @BradNigh.

Have a great week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 68 Show Notes – Who does what?

Trying to get back to posting show notes on Fridays. We’ll see…

The Week

It’s been another amazing week at SecurityStudio and FRSecure! I was in the office all week, so I got to see some of the magic first hand. You’d be amazed, truly.

OUR PEOPLE ARE INCREDIBLE! (yes, I shouted that).

Some of the things that come to mind right now:

  • Discussions and meetings with awesome people like Chris Roberts, Steve Hawkins, Mike Johnson, Augustine Doe, Jeremy Swenson, and Devin Harris this week. Each of them is awesome in their own way. Had lots of meetings this week, but these are the ones that stand out right now. Giving them all shout outs. They are wonderful people.
  • Brad’s kickin’ butt on some new service offerings, including a new CMMC readiness assessment. Checked out his executive summary report mock-up, and it’s sweet!
  • One of our analysts, “Ben” (he’s been on the podcast show before) has discovered some (16ish) significant potential/confirmed breaches of data in his research. Learning a ton about responsible disclosure. 😉
  • Lunch with John Harmon, FRSecure’s president on Thursday was incredible. We ate some sweet BBQ and talked strategy. This dude has some great ideas and I’m pumped about what he’s up to!
  • Ryan (“cola”) Cloutier is a machine. Opening doors, making a difference in education (K-12 & higher ed), and taking things global (UK, Australia, APAC, etc.). Letting this guy do his thing.
  • The marketing stuff and coordination for RSA next week is all set, thanks to the leadership of Andy Forsberg. This dude’s got in under control! There are seven SecurityStudio people heading out to RSA next week and we’ve all got brand new blue Nike’s and brand new blue branded T-shirts, not to mention 1,000 books to give away, and all the details. Excited to go have some fun with this group next week! (P.S. I think I got Andy hooked on Rockstar Energy drinks. I’m a bad influence, and I’m sorry.)

I could write something about every person here. The ALL pour their heart and soul into our mission of fixing this broken industry. They ALL understand that information security isn’t about information or security as much as it is about people. There are no words to describe the experience of working on this mission with this amazing group!

Breathe

OK, enough braggin’ for now, we got a podcast to do.

In last week’s show, Brad and I discussed the topic of information security roles and responsibilities at a macro level. We gave our opinions about the role of government, the role of business, the role of schools, etc. This week, we’re going to take the same topic and apply it at a micro level.

This is sure to be a great discussion!


SHOW NOTES – Episode 68

Date: Monday, February 24th, 2020

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • Opening
    • What’s up?
    • One thing.
  • Information Security Roles and Responsibilities (Part 2 of 2)
    • Last week, quick recap of roles and responsibilities at a macro level.
    • The importance of definition, formality, and communication.
    • SIMPLIFY and operationalize.
    • At work:
      • Executive Management
      • CISO (or similar), two jobs.
      • IT
      • Legal
      • Everyone else.
    • At home:
      • Information security, privacy, and safety cannot be separated.
      • Parent
      • Spouse
      • Children
    • What are things we can do to simplify and operationalize?
    • What should every “normal” person know about information security?
  • News
Opening

[Brad] Good morning UNSECURITY podcast listeners! I’m Brad Nigh and this is episode 68. The date is February 24th, 2020. Joining me in studio is my co-host, Brad Nigh. Good morning Evan!

[Evan] Stuff and things…

[Brad] We have a great show planned today. Before we dive in, let’s catch up. Crazy week behind us and another crazy one ahead! What’s going on?

Catching up

Some back and forth happens here.

[Brad] Wow! Alright, let’s shift gears now a little. Last week, we talked about information security roles and responsibilities. Not the most exciting topic, but an absolutely critical one for sure! We’re approaching this topic from two different perspectives, from a macro level and a micro level. Last week was part one, the macro level. This week is part two, the micro level. You ready to get started?

[Evan] For sure.

Information Security Roles and Responsibilities (Part 1 of 2) – Micro Level

[Brad] You mentioned that we’re working on this book together. It’s a book focused on simplifying and operationalizing information security for underserved markets like state/local government, schools (K-12 and higher ed), small businesses, and individuals. Part of all this is understanding who does what, or at least who should be doing what. We started last week with our opinions about the importance of defining roles and responsibilities for governments, businesses, schools, etc. Now, let’s take it down to a more practical level.

We’ll share our opinions this week on the following:

  • How important is it to define, formalize, and communicate information security roles and responsibilities?
  • If we haven’t defined, formalized, or communicated information security roles and responsibilities, where should we start?
  • Why is it important to simplify information security, and how can I do it?
  • What does operationalizing information security look like and how can I accomplish this?
  • Roles and Responsibilities at Work:
    • Executive Management
    • CISO (or similar), two jobs.
    • IT
    • Legal
    • Everyone else.
  • Roles and Responsibilities at Home:
    • Information security, privacy, and safety cannot be separated.
    • Parent
    • Spouse
    • Children
  • What are things we can do to simplify and operationalize information security at home?
  • What should every “normal” person know about information security?

[Brad] Great conversation. We could have taken any one of these subtopics and devoted an entire show to it. I’m really looking forward to finishing this book with you. This book could help tons of people! Alright, as usual, let’s get to some news.

News

[Brad] Here’s what we’ve got for news this week:

Closing

[Brad] There you have it. Episode 68. Good talk today. Got any parting words?

[Evan] It’s a secret.

[Brad] Thank you to our listeners, we love hearing from you. If you’ve got something to say, email us at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you would rather do the whole social thing, we tweet sometimes. I’m @BradNigh and Evan’s @evanfrancen. Be sure to watch social media for news from RSA! SecurityStudio will be tweeting and LinkedInning all week! Check out @studiosecurity frequently. FRSecure’s Twitter handle is @FRSecure, and they’re sure to have some good things too. Especially the week after next when FRSecure is out at SecureWorld North Carolina. Lots going on and lots of chatter!

That’s it. Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 65 Show Notes – Money Grab

Another week down. Damn, a whole month is down! January is already in the books.

While I’ve got you here, help us out with our mission. We’re busting our tails off doing our part to fix the broken information security industry. We’re striving and doing these things:

  • Setting a common information security language that can be spoken by everyone; the S2Score.
  • Developing and delivering simple (but effective and credible) information security risk assessments for the under-served (SMBs, state and local government, K-12, etc.):
  • Developing and delivering simple (but effective and credible) tools to help the under-served do information security better.
  • Teaching and mentoring others for free. The FRSecure CISSP Mentor Program is in it’s 11th year! We started with six students in 2010, last year we had 532, and this year we had more than 540 enrollments within the first 24 hours! Check it out and enroll here.

What can you do to help? Simple. You can help in (at least) three ways:

  • Do your own S2Org and S2Me assessments.
  • Contribute your opinions and feedback (after all, we’re all in this together).
  • Spread the word. Tell others. Tell them about the S2Org and S2Me assessments and tell them about the FREE FRSecure CISSP Mentor Program!

OK, on to the show…

February is already upon us, and RSA is just around the corner. Speaking of RSA, let’s talk about our industry’s money grab in this week’s episode. Let’s also discuss tips for talking to the board of directors about information security stuff .

This will be fun!

Alright, on to the show notes. This is my (Evan) show to lead and these (below) are my notes.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 65

Date: Monday, February 2nd, 2020

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • Opening
    • Normal Stuff
    • Got Mail?
  • The Money Grab
    • It’s alive and well – everybody wants your $$$.
    • The Bad Guys Of Course
    • The “Good Guys” Too?
  • Talking to the Board
    • Tips
    • Recent Experiences
  • News
Opening

[Evan] Alright, welcome! This is Evan Francen, this is episode 65 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and the date is February 3rd, 2020. In studio with me is none other than Mr. Brad Nigh. Howdy Brad.

[Brad] We’ll see how awake he is on an early Monday morning.

[Evan] I’m curious, are you a morning person or a night person?

[Brad] I don’t know what he’ll say here…

[Evan] We’ve got a great show planned for you today. Lots to talk about, for sure! We’re going to talk about this industry’s money grab and we’ll cover some tips for speaking to the board of directors. Before we dig in, Brad, how you doing?

Quick Catch-up Talk

[Evan] Alright. Well, let’s get to it. Let’s talk about the money grab in this industry. In case you didn’t know, I’m referring to the information security industry. You have the something that everybody wants. The bad guys, the good guys, and everyone in between. They all want your money. Collectively, I call this the “money grab” and we’re going to discuss this. I want to discuss this because I don’t want you losing your hard earned money to some crook and I don’t want you to piss it away on something that doesn’t do what you thought.

Discussion about the Money Grab

The money grab is alive and well. Everybody wants your $$$. Everybody.

  • The Bad Guys Of Course
    • The 2018 cybercrime industry was worth at least $1.5 trillion
    • There is no low that’s too low.

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  • The “Good Guys” Too?
    • Gartner estimated that 2019 industry spending was $124 billion in 2019, and by some estimated it’s expected to grow to more than $170 billion by 2022. NOTE: this is for context only and not to imply that this is wasted spending.
    • FUD (scare the sh*t out of you) and Sex Sell (buzzwords, new blinky lights, etc.)
    • Seems like everybody is fighting for your money.
      • Conferences (RSA, Black Hat, etc.)
      • Companies (borderline extortion, crappy advise, etc.)
    • We’re (FRSecure and SecurityStudio) human too. Mission over money, does it keep us honest?

[Evan] It’s a dangerous world and people (non-information security people are confused). I wonder how much of this is on purpose. The enterprise organizations can afford to make mistakes, but the smaller players are left in the cold and they’re suffering because they often miss the basics, the fundamentals. I feel bad for the under-served markets, especially SMBs. This is our primary focus. OK, on that note…

Discussion about talking boards of directors and executive management

[Evan] Brad, you and I have had the privilege on many occasions to talk to boards and executives. What tips do we have?

Some good back and forth discussion I’m sure…

After a while, let’s do some news.

News

[Evan] I’ve only got two stories to discuss today, but I think they’re interesting ones:

Closing

[Evan] OK, that’s it. Episode 65 is in the bag. Brad, you’ve got any ideas for next week’s show yet?

[Brad] Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t…

[Evan] Thank you to our listeners, we love hearing from you. If you’ve got something to say, email us at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you would rather do the whole social thing, we tweet sometimes. I’m @evanfrancen and Brad’s @BradNigh. If you like company stuff, we work for SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure). The company people post good things from time to time too!

That’s it. Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 64 Show Notes – 3rd Party Risk

Here we are, already into the 4th week of January and this is the last show for the month.

Quick recap of last week because it was awesome!

On Saturday (1/18), we held our holiday party at Punch Bowl Social. FRSecure and SecurityStudio employees flocked in from all over the country (Nevada, Kentucky, Missouri, Florida, etc.) to celebrate together. We sort of took over the joint with 120+ people eating, drinking, singing karaoke, bowling, playing pool, and hanging out.

One of our core values is “work hard/play hard”, and Lord knows we are experts at both these things! The teams did incredible things in 2019 and every single person played a critical part in our success. It was so awesome to spend time with each other, celebrating (a great 2019) and looking forward to an even better year ahead (2020)! It was a great night!

We gathered everyone together on Monday (1/20) morning for our quarter end/year end meeting. There are no words to describe what these people did in 2019. There isn’t an adequate adjective. By every account, 2019 was a huge success. Not only in terms of dollars and cents, but more importantly in the impact we made on our industry and in people’s lives.

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Just a few highlights:

  • FRSecure has helped more than 1,000 organizations build and maintain better information security programs.
  • The CISSP Mentor Program helped 532 people learn better information security, secure better career options, and/or successfully pass their CISSP exam. UPDATE: We exceeded the entire 2019 enrollment within 24 hours of opening this year’s registration!
  • We gave more than 100 talks at conferences all over the United States.
  • SecurityStudio made great strides in helping organizations and people speak the same (information security language), including the release of the S2Me.
  • The companies grew at more than 40% again (top line), for the 10th consecutive year.

I could write an entire book about what was accomplished in 2019, and I’m speechless when I think about what we’ll do together this year (2020)!

The Minnetonka HQ office was full and buzzing on Monday! The rest of the week was filled with meetings, conversations, and security stuff. All icing on the cake.

Alright, on to the show notes. This is Brad’s show to lead and these (below) are his notes.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 64

Date: Monday, January 27th, 2020

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • Opening
    • Catching Up
    • FRSecure Year End
    • SecurityStudio Year End
  • 3rd-Party/Vendor Risk Management
    • Let’s get literal.
    • A deep dive.
    • Seven “must haves”.
    • A warning (or two)
  • Next Week
    • Tips for talking to boards
    • I’m going to RSA this year and I already regret it
  • News
Opening

[Brad] Welcome back! This is episode 64 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and I’m your host this week, Brad Nigh. Today is  January 27th, and joining me is my co-host, Evan Francen. Good morning Evan.

[Evan] Something energetic and uplifting I’m sure.

[Brad] We’ve got another great show planned for you this week, and we’ve already got some good topics to talk about next week. This week we’re going to cover a deep dive into 3rd-party (or vendor) risk management. Next week we’re going to cover tips for talking to boards and have a conversation about the RSA money grab. Don’t miss it! I’m guessing it could get controversial.

Before we get started, let’s recap last week quick.

  • Brad’s update(s)
  • Evan’s update(s)

[Brad] I wanted to take some time today talking about Vendor Risk Management and the difference between an audit based certification (SOC2, ISO, HITRUST) vs a risk assessment (S2Org or similar).

[Evan] Yeah man! Let’s do it!

3rd-Party/Vendor Risk Management

[Brad] You added stuff to my show notes! What gives man?

[Evan] Yeah, I couldn’t help myself. Hope you’re OK with it.

[Brad] What’s with “let’s get literal”?

Discussion…

[Brad] Let’s talk about the differences between audit based certification (SOC2, ISO, HITRUST, etc.) versus a risk assessment (S2Org or similar).

  • The fundamental differences
  • The positives and negatives to both approaches
  • At the end of the day, what should an organization be trying to accomplish with their Vendor Risk Management program
  • What should the vendor share/not share, how do they handle requests for more than they are comfortable sharing

Be sure to mention the new article (not yet posted), “Seven must-haves for effective third-party information security risk management”. You can get the free preview download by emailing us.

[Brad] Hopefully that was helpful to people working on both sides of Vendor Risk Management. Let’s do some news.

News

[Brad]

Always plenty of things to talk about in the news, and here’s a few stories that caught my eye this week:

Closing

[Brad] That’s it. Episode 64 is a wrap. Thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @BradNigh and Evan is @evanfrancen. Lastly, be sure to follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies!

That’s it. Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 60 Show Notes – 2019 Year End Review

Goodbye 2019. It’s been real.

Where did the time go?

A common question, we ask ourselves. This year I decided to take a stab at answering it.

Here’s where my time went, for what it’s worth (roughly):

  • 38.58% (or 3,380 hours) working
  • 27.09% (or 2,373 hours) sleeping
  • 23.90% (or 2,094 hours) personal (family, friends, etc.) quality time
  • 10.42% (or 913 hours) other

I spent ~15% more time working than I did making memories with my family in 2019. Some priority adjustments are overdue for me in 2020.

Thank God for the gift of reflection.

The end of the year is a good time to reflect. Reflection is healthy. As I reflect on 2019, I can think of many good things about us like improved industry diversity, great personal growth, business accomplishments, and amazing people working round the clock for our collective benefit.

Unfortunately, there are also bad things. Since we’ve got plenty to cover, both good and bad, we’ll use this episode (#60) to discuss the bad. We won’t want to leave a sour taste in your mouth for too long, so we’ll cover the good things, and the things to look forward to in 2020, in next week’s episode (#61).

Now, the bad.

I already mentioned one of the bad things I discovered from 2019, that my priorities are out of whack, but I also learned things about the sad state of our industry. I learned that we’re (still) losing the war, and we’re losing it on multiple fronts.

Are you wondering what war?

The war where the bad people take advantage of the good people. The war where the immoral ones take advantage of the decent ones. Where the informed and corrupt beat the ignorant and noble every single time.

Let me preface the rest of this by saying I’m not a doomsayer. I’m a realist. I’m a realist with a deep desire to share the truth. If you’ve been paying attention, and can be objective, you’ll find it easier to predict our future. Predicting where a path leads is easier when there’s no (or little) change of course.

Our discussion points for episode 60’s year-end review:

  • Front #1 – Breaches are more common than ever, but we seem to care less than ever.
  • Front #2 – Our local governments and schools are losing their battles.
  • Front #3 – Our homes are part of the battleground and we’re not prepared.

All is not lost, and there’s hope. There’s good news too. We’ll cover good news next week. 2020 is the year for you, me, and our industry to get real. It’s time for us to tackle our most significant issues head-on, together!

I am (Evan) leading the show this week, and these are my notes.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 60

Date: Monday, December 30th, 2019

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • Opening
  • The year (2019) in review.
    • Priorities and life adjustments
    • Front #1 – Breaches are more common than ever, but we seem to care less than ever.
    • Front #2 – Our local governments and schools are losing their battles.
    • Front #3 – Our homes are part of the battleground and we’re not prepared.
  • Closing
Opening

[Evan] Welcome to the last UNSECURITY Podcast episode of 2019! We’ve got a great show planned for you. The date is December 30th, and this is episode number 60. Joining me as (almost) always is my guy Brad Nigh. Hi Brad.

[Brad] Early morning version of Brad…

[Evan] No guest today. It’s just me and you. How you doing?

[Brad] More early morning version Brad things…

[Evan] When I put together today’s show notes, I felt like I was a little harsh, maybe even depressing. It’s not like I was depressed when I wrote the notes, but when I take an objective look at what took place this year, it’s sort of depressing to me. 2019 brought with it a record number of breaches, a record number of records disclosed/stolen, ransomware everywhere, etc. Crap man. Do I seem depressed to you?

[Brad] He’s got something to say.

[Evan] Maybe I take this too personal, but I HATE seeing people get taken advantage of. There were too many times this year that we read about people being taken advantage of, and it sucks. Ugh. Maybe I am depressed.

[Brad] More things…

[Evan] Alright, let’s get to it. The 2019 year-end review…

The year (2019) in review discussion
  • Priorities and life adjustments
  • Front #1 – Breaches are more common than ever, and we seem to care less than ever.
    • Another record year for breaches, do we care?
    • Sources; https://www.cnet.com/news/2019-data-breach-hall-of-shame-these-were-the-biggest-data-breaches-of-the-year/ and https://lifehacker.com/the-worst-data-breaches-of-2019-1840616463
    • “total number of breaches was up 33% over last year”
    • “medical services, retailers and public entities most affected”
    • “5,183 data breaches for a total of 7.9 billion exposed records”
    • Risk Based Security stated that 2019 is/was the “worst year on record” for breaches
      • January – Marriott breach (383 million)
      • February – 617 million accounts, from 16 websites and for sale on the dark web
      • March – 100s of millions of Facebook and Instagram accounts
      • April – 540 million Facebook records
      • May – 885 million First American Financial records
      • June – 20 million patients, bill collector American Medical Collection Association
      • July – Capital One and 100 million credit card applications
      • August – MoviePass and 160 million unencrypted/unauthenticated records
      • September – 218 million Words with Friends accounts
      • October – 4 billion social media profile records (???)
      • November – Facebook again…
      • December – we’re still waiting…
    • Breach fatigue.
    • Are we getting better at finding/reporting breaches? Are breaches happening more often? Are we getting worse?
  • Front #2 – Our local governments and schools are losing their battles.
    • Ransomware nails our local governments and schools.
    • A great article by Michael Mayes at CPO Magazine; the Top 10 Ransomware Stories of 2019.
      • “As the year ends, it’s time to declare 2019 the Year of Ransomware Escalation.”
      • Baltimore was “just one of 82 cities and municipalities to publicly report being struck by ransomware” in 2019.
      • “By December 1, a total of 72 US school districts have fallen victim to ransomware, impacting 867 individual schools and over 10,000 students.”
      • Nine “school districts representing 98 individual schools have been attacked by ransomware just in November. They include:
        • Wood County Schools, Parkersburg, West VA
        • Port-Neches Grove Independent School District, Port Neches, TX
        • Penn-Harris-Madison School Corporation, Mishawaka, IN
        • Livingston New Jersey School District, Livingston, NJ
        • Chicopee Public Schools, Chicopee, MA
        • Claremont Unified School District, Claremont, CA
        • Sycamore School District 427, DeKalb, IL
        • Sunapee Middle High School, Sunapee, NH
        • Main School Administrative District #6, Buxton, ME”
      • Louisiana declared a state of emergency twice in 2019
    • Do we just accept it?
    • We started a civic duty push in 2019, calling for citizens to inquire about ransomware protections from their local government officials. We’ll need to pick this up again this year, and include schools too.
  • Front #3 – Our homes are part of the battleground and we seem ignorant about it.
    • Security, privacy, and safety at home.
    • We still don’t emphasize information security, privacy, and safety enough at home.
    • Did this problem get worse in 2019?
    • Will this get worse before it gets better?

[Evan] That wasn’t too depressing, was it?

[Brad] Gives his honest opinion.

[Evan] We’ve got a lot of work to do, and there are no easy answers. No easy buttons. I think the answer is found in learning and applying information security fundamentals. We spent 2019 working hard at SecurityStudio and FRSecure to reach people with simple, but practical information security solutions like our vCISO, S2Org (information security risk assessment for all organizations), S2Vendor, S2Me (information security risk assessment for all people) and others. We even made some of our tools free! We’ll continue our quest to reach people and help wherever we can!

Got anything to add Mr. Nigh?

[Brad] Adds if he wants to add.

Closing

[Evan] That’s a wrap for another show. Heck, not just another show, but another year!

Thank you and Happy New Year to our listeners! Be sure to tune in next week, when we’ll cover some positive developments from 2019 and maybe a prediction or two. We love recording these shows for you, and we hope you enjoy them. Send us your questions and feedback at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @evanfrancen, and this other guy is @BradNigh.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 59 Show Notes

If you’re an information security consultant, you know how crazy the end of the year is. It’s crazy!

We’re trying to wrap up all the projects that needed to be completed before the end of the year, and it’s always a challenge. Thank God for Project Managers and a top-notch operations group!

If you missed last week’s episode, we talked about information security in schools with Mike Dronen, the Executive Director of Technology for Minnetonka Public Schools (District 276). Mike shared some great insight and advice for addressing the unique information security challenges facing K-12 schools. If you missed the episode, give it a listen here!

It was no coincidence that last week I also gave the keynote at the East Central Minnesota Education Cable Cooperative (ECMECC) School Security Summit. The Summit was held at the Braham Event Center on December 19th, and was attended by a few hundred K12 school administrators, technology coordinators, facilities staff, and law enforcement. Met a ton of cool people and my keynote was well-received.

If you’d like a copy of the ECMECC presentation, you can go grab it here.

This is Christmas week! For those of us working this week, please take some time off to spend with your loved ones. Merry Christmas to all of you!

Brad is leading the show this week, and these are his notes.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 59

Date: Monday, December 23rd, 2019

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • The SecurityStudio Roadshow Recap (not all the questions, but I have some surprises)
    • Let’s talk about who we met on the Roadshow; different roles, titles, experience levels, etc.
    • Anyone stand out in particular?
    • Was there a specific event that really stood out to you, and why?
    • What was something you learned that surprised you?
  • News
Opening

[Brad] Welcome back! This is episode 59 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and I’m your host this week, Brad Nigh. Today is December 23rd, and joining me is my co-host, Evan Francen. Good morning Evan.

[Evan] Lots of words of wisdom I’m sure.

[Brad] We have an in-studio guest today. FRSecure and Security Studio President, John Harmon. Good morning John.

[John] John says something I hope.

[Brad] Before we dive in, we like to check-in. John, how you doing? How was your week and what do you expect this week?

[John] John wonders why he agreed to do a podcast again this early in the morning but is a good sport and says something.

[Brad] And Evan. How are you and what’s up?

[Evan] Probably isn’t sure what to do with himself since he isn’t traveling all the time.

[Brad] Sounds like everyone is ready for the holidays to recharge and prepare for the next year.  We thought it would be fun to answer some questions and hear from Evan and John their thoughts on the recently completed roadshow, so without further ado let’s dive in.

SecurityStudio Roadshow Recap
  • Some surprise questions will be asked…
  • Let’s talk about who you met on the roadshow, roles, titles, experience levels, etc.
  • Anyone particular stand out?
  • Was there a specific event that really stood out to you, why?
  • What was something you learned doing this that surprised you?

[Brad] Great discussion.  Always fun talking with Evan and John.

Let’s do some news…

News

[Brad] Always plenty of things to talk about in the news, and here’s a few stories that caught my eye this week:

Closing

[Brad] That’s it. Episode 59 is a wrap. Thank you to John for joining us again, although this is the first time I’ve been here for it.

Thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @BradNigh, and Evan is @evanfrancen. John, is there a way you prefer for people to interact with you?

Lastly, be sure to follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!

The UNSECURITY Podcast – Episode 58 Show Notes

We welcome Mike Dronen to be our guest in episode 58 of the UNSECURITY Podcast! Mike is the Executive Director of Technology for Minnetonka Public Schools (District 276), and he’s joining us to talk about information security challenges facing K-12.

In case you missed the past couple of weeks, we talked a ton about legal and privacy stuff with our favorite data privacy and “cybersecurity” attorney, Justin Webb. Justin works for Godfrey & Kahn, S.C. in Milwaukee, and here’s what we covered:

Lots of good content and advice in these past couple of episodes. This week with Mike Dronnen is sure to be great too!

I’m leading the show this week, and here are my notes.


SHOW NOTES – Episode 58

Date: Monday, December 16th, 2019

Show Topics:

Our topics this week:

  • Information Security Challenges in K-12
    • Article: The Cybersecurity Threats That Keep K–12 CIOs Up at Night
    • How does information security work in K-12?
    • What makes K-12 different than everywhere else?
    • What are there differences between large school districts and smaller ones?
    • What tips do we have for administrators?
    • What tips do we have for educators?
    • What tips do we have for parents?
  • News
Opening

[Evan] Welcome back! This is episode 58 of the UNSECURITY Podcast, and I’m your host this week, Evan Francen. Today is December 16th, and joining me is my co-host, Brad Nigh. Good morning Brad.

[Brad] We’ll see how awake he is this fine Monday morning.

[Evan] We’ve had a couple of great shows the past couple of weeks. We learned a lot from our guest, Justin Webb. We talked a ton about privacy things and legal things. This week we’re going to shift gears a bit, and talk about information security in K-12. To help us navigate these waters, I’ve invited the Executive Director of Technology from Minnetonka Public Schools to our show. Minnetonka is my alma mater, and Mike Dronnen is a good friend. Welcome Mike!

[Mike] Mike’s a good guy. He’ll surely say “hi” or something.

[Evan] Mike, we’re excited to have you on the show for a number of reasons. You’re a good guy, I’m a Skipper, and Brad’s got some kids in your district too. Thank you for joining, especially on short notice.

Before we dive in, I like to check-in. Mike, how you doing? How was your week and what do you expect this week?

[Mike] Mike shares what he’d like to share.

[Evan] And Brad. How are you and what’s up?

[Brad] Sharing is caring.

[Evan] We’re all busy. Hopefully, health busy. My quick recap…

Alright, let’s talk about information security in K-12, shall we?

Discussion about information security challenges in K-12
  • Article: The Cybersecurity Threats That Keep K–12 CIOs Up at Night
  • How does information security work in K-12?
  • What makes K-12 different than everywhere else?
  • What are there differences between large school districts and smaller ones?
  • What tips do we have for administrators?
  • What tips do we have for educators?
  • What tips do we have for parents?

[Evan] Another great discussion. There are some real challenges for K-12, and I think we’ve all got some skin in this game to do the best we can. Thanks Mike!

Let’s do some news…

News

[Evan] Always plenty of things to talk about in the news, and here’s a few stories that caught my eye this week:

Closing

[Evan] That’s it. Episode 58 is a wrap. Thank you to Mike for joining us and for sharing your perspectives on K-12 information security!

Thank you to our listeners! Keep the questions and feedback coming. Send things to us by email at unsecurity@protonmail.com. If you’re the social type, socialize with us on Twitter, I’m @evanfrancen, and Brad’s @BradNigh. Mike, is there a way you prefer for people to interact with you?

Lastly, be sure to follow SecurityStudio (@studiosecurity) and FRSecure (@FRSecure) for more goodies.

That’s it! Talk to you all again next week!